Well......since my last trade thread was so well received.... here's a tidbit from Dreger.
Are Phil Kessel’s days in Toronto numbered? Hockey Insider Darren Dreger reported on TSN 1050’s Mike Richards Show this morning that the buzz in NHL management circles is that the 25 year old winger could be on the trade market before the April 3rd deadline and that feelers have put out to the Leafs GM Dave Nonis. According to Dreger, Nonis has communicated that the price will be steep for the winger, who has scored 30 goals or more four years in a row and is under contract until the end of the 2013-14 season. The Leafs reportedly are looking for “slam dunk win” of a deal for their leading goal scorer, which Dreger translated as “a good piece, be it a top defenseman or a top six forward and a high draft pick in return”, similar to the package that the Columbus Blue Jackets received for disgruntled forward Jeff Carter.
ps- it would have to be a good return if he is traded
I wonder what teams would be likely trading partners. Teams that are ready to win now and just need to add some scoring.
Like the stage WE should've been at when making a trade like we did.
The starting price is definitely a 1st round pick and a top prospect.
You can probably remove the 1st round pick if you replace it with another top prospect or a fine young roster player with potential.
Dreger also said that he doesn't see a deal happening during the season, for what it's worth.
I would seriously consider a deal for O'Reilly and Siemens, hypothetically.
It would be nice for all involved to put the whole trade thing behind us. Especially for Phil who will hear the Seguin comparisons as long as he's a Leaf.
But like I and others have said, the only way he gets moved is if he doesn't want to return here.......or so we think
If he walked for nothning after next year........yikes!
blueeagle3 wrote:
Are Phil Kessel’s days in Toronto numbered? Hockey Insider Darren Dreger reported on *** 1050’s Mike Richards Show this morning that the buzz in NHL management circles is that the 25 year old winger could be on the trade market before the April 3rd deadline and that feelers have put out to the Leafs GM Dave Nonis. According to Dreger, Nonis has communicated that the price will be steep for the winger, who has scored 30 goals or more four years in a row and is under contract until the end of the 2013-14 season. The Leafs reportedly are looking for “slam dunk win” of a deal for their leading goal scorer, which Dreger translated as “a good piece, be it a top defenseman or a top six forward and a high draft pick in return”, similar to the package that the Columbus Blue Jackets received for disgruntled forward Jeff Carter.
I watched that Dreger report and thats not how it went down. What he said was Nonis was getting calls about Kessel and thats about it. Of course Nonis is getting feelers about a 40 goal guy that isnt scoring. Nonis isnt dangling him out there and isnt "shopping" him. Everything Dreger said is pure speculation on Dregers part. People seem to think Dreger is this big "insider" or something. Its comical.
Would have to be an offer too good to refuse. Which means what would have to come back is either 30-40 goals a year, or other equivalent. Seeing as how those kinds of players are very limited I’m curious what an offer too good to be true would be.
Could Carolina be a partner? They could use wingers seeing as how they paid huge dollars for semin. Now with J. Staal they have a second line that needs a scoring winger. Assuming skinner and semin are on the first. Murphy and a first pick would be a good pull.
Or, what about Nashville? We need another stud on the back end. Offering a selling feature like Kessel can be a big start to try and pull Webber out of there. Personally I think Toronto would need to give more, but that being said Nashville is a poor team paying a single player 14 million a year for 4-5 years. For a good return I bet the owner would consider it.
Washington? Kessel for Ovi straight up. Toronto would be selling their soul cap wise for a player who may or may not be motivated. But that being said Toronto can offer better line mated then crabb and beigle. Since cap space can be traded Toronto can even ask for some, say 2 million a year.
Buffalo? Kessel for Myers straight up. Toronto gets that extra young stud they need so bad, buffalo gets a scoring winger to help out their horrendous offense. Gives buffalo another threat aside from miller.
Ottawa? Kessel for Cowen and a pick. Same deal as buffalo. Big strong defensemen for a scoring winger to replace alfredson.
With all of toronto’s offensive defensemen prospects the only way a defense should come back is if it is a stud. A stud playing with gardner is a good pair, a stud playing with reilly is better. Top center is another need of ours, but I don’t think we could pull a franchise center out of a city. Not unless malkin starts teasing Crosby, or stamkos publicly supports gun control (that is enough to make anyone is the states flee).
I would be shocked if he got traded. even wthout scoring a goal this year he has been an effective player. It would have to be an offer too good to be true to risk trading him. I cant imagining him wanting to go leave, sure the media is a #####, but with how much we will be asking for him, and the hatred he would receave for leaving for nothing, i cant see him leaving.
I hope not, I love Kessel.
I like Kessel, but I would seriously look at trading him. The Leafs aren't going to win anything by 2014 when his contract expires, and I don't think he'll be worth the money that he'll command on the market.
Kessel is a very good one dimensional player, but you don't get return on your investment by paying a one dimensional winger based strictly on offensive output.
GardNerXpress wrote:
Are Phil Kessel’s days in Toronto numbered?Hockey Insider Darren Dreger reported on *** 1050’s Mike Richards Show this morning that the buzz in NHL management circles is that the 25 year old winger could be on the trade market before the April 3rd deadline and that feelers have put out to the Leafs GM Dave Nonis. According to Dreger, Nonis has communicated that the price will be steep for the winger, who has scored 30 goals or more four years in a row and is under contract until the end of the 2013-14 season. The Leafs reportedly are looking for “slam dunk win” of a deal for their leading goal scorer, which Dreger translated as “a good piece, be it a top defenseman or a top six forward and a high draft pick in return”, similar to the package that the Columbus Blue Jackets received for disgruntled forward Jeff Carter.
GE...
NONE of these guys are "insiders"... they ACT like they are , but they really aren't... Dreger is Nonis' cousin and I'm quite sure he would have said something about Burke's potential removal IF he had a clue... but he didn't. Sure, guys like Dreger and McKenzie etc etc etc hear "things" but for the most part they are hearing things from guys like themselves... and then they just run with it.
ANY idiot can look at certain situations and then put two and two together... and then report on it , as if they are breaking some massive story...
Kessel isn't scoring, he has one year left on his contract, Nonis was NOT the guy that traded for him..... Gee, I wonder if anyone else out there realized all of this... hahahaha.... Dion Phaneuf, another NON Nonis purchase... not putting up great numbers and coming to the end of his contract too... Gee, I wonder what the "expert insiders" will report on.
Bottom line, if you are a REAL fan of the NHL you can just as easily jump to the same conclusions as these guys can... it's not rocket science. The only difference is, these guys have their fellow "experts" on speed dial and they have to get viewers to watch their shows... other than that, I can get just as much "inside" information from the posters in here... and generally speaking WE figure things out a lot sooner than these guys do...
If Kessel is snakebitten now, I wonder how this kind of thing will affect him.
I believe Dreger and Nonis aer related somehow (cousins?), so he probabaly is a bigger insider than most, at least when it comes to the Leafs.
Kessel would look good taking passes from Spezza. Too bad there's a 0% chance of a trade happening.
sensbiz wrote:
I actually think Ottawa is one of the teams that would make the most sense in the entire league for a Kessel trade, except for it being in-division. Within division trades obviously happen (see previous Kessel trade), and I personally don't see a problem trading within division, but I still don't think it would ever happen.
But Ottawas a team that already looks like a probable playoff team, they have one of the top prospect pools in the league so they can afford to make a bold move (and have pieces Tor would be interested in), and they could use a longterm upgrade on the wing.
If I was Toronto trading Kessel I'd want a blue chip centre prospect and a pick. I wonder what playoff contending teams have those available to trade.
DeanMurdoch wrote:
All of this as i think Dean nailed it.
It's quite the dilema. Over pay to keep him or move him now and get the best possible return you can for him. I think the Leafs need to cut their losses and get a handsome return for him.
I could see Nashville being the most interested in Kessel. At the time, they were in on the Kessel sweepstakes and were offering the same deal Toronto was making to get him.
They haven't had a pure goal scorer (I know, I know) in quite some time. Since Radulov pretty much.
They have some decent pieces that would fill in some voids for us too. I have no doubt that they would probably part with their first rounder for the right deal. A deal involving Watson or perhaps Smith and a 1st would make Nonis listen pretty fast.